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== Sharon's callsign (Boomer) ==
I didn't imply the callsign was self-given.  The other pilots would no doubt have found out about Troy and in classic harsh military humor (I'm in the Army; I know) they decided to call her Boomer.  And unless RDM has stated differently in a blog or podcast, it makes more sense than getting the nickname from her loud, crashing landings.
Also, when Baltar asked about her callsign, she referenced Troy, not, "I make rough landings."
It just makes more sense to have the reference in the notes than hidden in the bio.  The whole reason I put it in the notes was because I had been looking for the reference and couldn't find it.  And it is more relevant than Head-Six's snarky sexual reference.
Just asking you to reconsider.  I'm not factually wrong, and isn't that the point of user-modified fact pages?
"The best excuse for bad manners is quick reflexes."
----- Original Message ----
From: WikiAdmin <administrators@battlestarwiki.org>
To: Pjamese3 <pjamese3@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:33:48 PM
Subject: Battlestar Wiki page Sharon Valerii has been changed by Joe Beaudoin Jr.
Dear Pjamese3,
The Battlestar Wiki page Sharon Valerii has been changed on
14:33, 11 May 2008 by Joe Beaudoin Jr., see
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Sharon_Valerii for the current
version.
See
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sharon_Valerii&diff=0&oldid=159855
for all changes since your last visit.
Editor's summary: revert: as Serenity pointed out, Troy blowing up has
no bearing (not to mention the fact that we've already noted this here).
Also callsigns are given out by other pilots, not self-given. {{unsigned|Pjamese3}}
:Whatever the in-universe reason for her callsign, obviously the out of universe reason is that they had to fill the [[Boomer (TOS)]] slot. That might be a good question for Mr. Thomson over at [[BW:OC]], though. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Her explanation about Troy isn't in any way related to Six's comments (which she can't even hear). Baltar says that he hears a trace of an Aerelon accent in her voice and asks where she comes from. The callsign thing is actually a scene earlier when she first visits Baltar's lab. When Baltar asks about it, she doesn't react to it and asks about the Cylon detector. And I'd say it makes more sense to base the callsign on her flying skills than a catastrophe that killed her whole family. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Interesting out of universe explanation of the callsign in general. [http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/media/approach/whatsyourcallsign/callsignhistory.htm "Someone with the callsign "Boomer" is either a party hound or else broke some windows with a supersonic low-level fly-by."]


== Trouble with Spanish Templates ==
== Trouble with Spanish Templates ==
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:::::::Remember that you don't have to be afraid of breaking stuff beyond repair: you can always undo your edits and revert the template back to a working version. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 18:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Remember that you don't have to be afraid of breaking stuff beyond repair: you can always undo your edits and revert the template back to a working version. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 18:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


== WYSIWYG editor problems ==
== WYSIWYG editor problems ==


The new WYSIWYG editor is surely very nifty (though slow), but did you notice how it messes up internal links? All by itself changes something like <nowiki>[[Natalie]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Natalie|Natalie]]</nowiki>. And that for ''all ''links within the text whenever you edit a page with it. Functionally, it's the same, but generally we took care to remove such unnecessary piping by hand. I could make understand something like <nowiki>[[Battlestar|battlestar]]</nowiki>, but it changes anything no matter what. That kinda clutters up the text if you read it the old way.  
The new WYSIWYG editor is surely very nifty (though slow), but did you notice how it messes up internal links? All by itself changes something like <nowiki>[[Natalie]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Natalie|Natalie]]</nowiki>. And that for ''all ''links within the text whenever you edit a page with it. Functionally, it's the same, but generally we took care to remove such unnecessary piping by hand. I could make understand something like <nowiki>[[Battlestar|battlestar]]</nowiki>, but it changes anything no matter what. That kinda clutters up the text if you read it the old way.  

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Trouble with Spanish Templates

Hi Chiefs! Following Shane's suggestion, we have started updating a few templates of the Spanish wiki since the ones used until now had become obsolete. For some reason, deleting the old Episode Data one and replacing it with the Spanish translation of the one you're currently using here has resulted in chaos. Sure I have done something wrong, because for quite some time the system kinda mixed both templates (even if the old one had been deleted) and the translated episodes using the Episode Data template were all frakked up. I am the one doing the translation work but I don't want to mess up with the template's code once again, and Baltar Gaiolas is not confident either so.... would it possible for any of you guys, to give us a helping hand with this template? Thanks a mill. -- Mouan 02:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Shane and I can take a crack at it. :) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 02:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Everything should be good to go now. The template {{!}} was not important that is a very big requirement for our complex templates. :) Shane (talk) 02:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a mill, guys! -- Mouan 12:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank Shane, Mouan. He found that pesky issue and fixed it! :D -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 18:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, same thing happened again :( I translated a test of the Episode Data template and saved it (Test Plantilla: Datos de Episodio) and it has frakked things up once again. The original template has not been deleted, but it doesn't seem to have made any difference. I have deleted the test template but the episodes still look all messed up :( And now I am at my wit's end. I am more than happy to help with translations and such, but every time I "touch" the code, I frak up. I apologise for bothering you again with this issue, but I don't know what else I can do. Could any of you guys have a look at that template and fix it. Also, if possible, could someome tell me exactly what lines need to be translated into Spanish? Because I'm afraid that the problem may lay there, that I have translated part of the code :( -- Mouan 14:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Future reference, don't mark it minor as I don't get updates when it does. You should have done it on es:Plantilla:Datos_de_Episodio There was no need to create es:Test Plantilla:Datos_de_Episodio. I don't see any problems other than it being in the wrong place. You also have to update the episode pages as well to use the new template. If you notice, all the variables are lower-case (es:Plantilla:Datos_de_Episodio) so es:33 template has to be updated to reflect the new varabile names as well. Look @ the output area of es:Plantilla:Datos_de_Episodio and look at the code. Very simple to update. Just requires patience. The template also has the rules on what needs to be filed out an way. Look @ my changes to es:33 and see how it came together. Shane (talk) 14:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Shane. So, if I've understood you correctly, I can replace es:Plantilla:Datos_de_Episodio with the translated version from the test page I created (es:Test Plantilla:Datos_de_Episodio), save it, and once it's done, delete the test page, right? After that, I need to go into every episode page and update the template. -- Mouan 16:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Remember that you don't have to be afraid of breaking stuff beyond repair: you can always undo your edits and revert the template back to a working version. --Catrope(Talk to me or e-mail me) 18:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

WYSIWYG editor problems

The new WYSIWYG editor is surely very nifty (though slow), but did you notice how it messes up internal links? All by itself changes something like [[Natalie]] to [[Natalie|Natalie]]. And that for all links within the text whenever you edit a page with it. Functionally, it's the same, but generally we took care to remove such unnecessary piping by hand. I could make understand something like [[Battlestar|battlestar]], but it changes anything no matter what. That kinda clutters up the text if you read it the old way.

It also didn't take my nowiki-links here for some reason and translated them into html characters. Typing them in text view and then switching to WYSIWYG worked. Moreover, it writes categories in one line instead of one line per category. More seriously, none of the quick links below the edit box works anymore. -- Serenity 10:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

What the hell.. those who prefer to read and edit plain wikitext (like I do) can click the "Wikitext" button in the top left corner of the editor. Anyway, according to the extension page on MediaWiki.org, it's an "expirimental approach providing a semi-WYSIWYG concept". IMO, FCKeditor is not nearly mature enough to be used here. Also, I was surprised that such a major change was made without discussion or without testing on the Hangar Bay. Shouldn't we at least go through the Think Tank and all that? --Catrope(Talk to me or e-mail me) 10:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, you can do both, but if someone fraks up the formatting with the editor (and that happens merely by using it), that's also visible in the standard wiki view. -- Serenity
Guys, you can simply disable the text editor via your preferences. Click "Misc" then click on "Disable rich editor". (Or, if you have the JS toolbar disabled, it'll have the same effect, as Shane and I found out just last night.) Oh, and we've been testing this on BSP.com between User:pagad and myself. Also the piping issue is known to me and I'm working with a bot person from WP to get a bot that will nip that problem, until the guys at FCK/MW can get that kink worked out. :) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 15:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, ok. Sorry, I said anything :s ;) -- Serenity 16:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Us 'expert users' will not use this, but hey :) Shane (talk) 20:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)