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==In the Reimagined Series==
==In the Reimagined Series==


[[Image:Bscap059.jpg|thumb|"I am an instrument of God" --[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] in [[The Hand of God]]<br/>Credit: SkyOne]]
[[Image:Bscap059.jpg|thumb|"I am an instrument of God" --[[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] in [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]<br/>Credit: SkyOne]]


In [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the reimagined series of Battlestar Galactica]], [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]] and [[Mini-Series]]/internal [[Number Six|Six]] espouse monotheistic views. Leoben's "we are all God" philosophy is similar to [[Wikipedia:Gnosticism|Gnosticism]]. Although the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonials]] worship the [[Lords of Kobol]], even Colonials occasionally say singular "God," though it's often just as exclamations.
In [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the reimagined series of Battlestar Galactica]], [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]] and [[Mini-Series]]/internal [[Number Six|Six]] espouse monotheistic views. Leoben's "we are all God" philosophy is similar to [[Wikipedia:Gnosticism|Gnosticism]]. Although the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonials]] worship the [[Lords of Kobol]], even Colonials occasionally say singular "God," though it's often just as exclamations.
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* "He's not afraid to die. He's just afraid that his soul won't make it to God." -- [[Kara Thrace]], [[Flesh and Bone]]
* "He's not afraid to die. He's just afraid that his soul won't make it to God." -- [[Kara Thrace]], [[Flesh and Bone]]


* "Oh good, I suppose God doesn't want me to destroy the base, because he's the Cylon god, right?", [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "Oh good, I suppose God doesn't want me to destroy the base, because he's the Cylon god, right?", [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


* "God doesn't take sides. He only wants your love. Open your heart to him and he'll show you the way." -- internal [[Number Six|Six]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "God doesn't take sides. He only wants your love. Open your heart to him and he'll show you the way." -- internal [[Number Six|Six]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


* "He didn't speak to me. God didn't speak to me. So I was totally lying. I just picked that spot at random." -- [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "He didn't speak to me. God didn't speak to me. So I was totally lying. I just picked that spot at random." -- [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


* "He doesn't always speak in words, Gaius." -- internal [[Number Six|Six]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "He doesn't always speak in words, Gaius." -- internal [[Number Six|Six]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


* "Are you telling me that God guided my finger to that target for some... arcane scriptural purpose?" -- [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "Are you telling me that God guided my finger to that target for some... arcane scriptural purpose?" -- [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


* "You are part of God's plan, Gaius." -- internal [[Number Six|Six]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "You are part of God's plan, Gaius." -- internal [[Number Six|Six]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


* "So God wanted me to destroy the Cylon base." -- [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "So God wanted me to destroy the Cylon base." -- [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


* "You did well. You gave yourself over to Him." -- internal [[Number Six|Six]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "You did well. You gave yourself over to Him." -- internal [[Number Six|Six]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


* "Yes, suppose I did. Yes, there's-- there's really no other logical explanation for it. I was - [Six: ''Am.''] - I am an instrument of God." -- [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God]]
* "Yes, suppose I did. Yes, there's-- there's really no other logical explanation for it. I was - [Six: ''Am.''] - I am an instrument of God." -- [[Gaius Baltar]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]


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* "Jesus." -- Colonel Tigh, [[Mini-Series]] {{ref|1}}
* "Jesus." -- Colonel Tigh, [[Mini-Series]] {{ref|1}}


* "I was... [Six: <i>Am.</i>] I am..." -- [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], [[The Hand of God]] (full quote in previous section)
* "I was... [Six: <i>Am.</i>] I am..." -- [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]], [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]] (full quote in previous section)


* "Come on, Jim. [[Wallace Gray]] is no 'prince of darkness.'" -- Playa, [[Colonial Day]]
* "Come on, Jim. [[Wallace Gray]] is no 'prince of darkness.'" -- Playa, [[Colonial Day]]
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* "God is love" -- [[Number Six|Six]], [[Mini-Series]], 1 John 4:16
* "God is love" -- [[Number Six|Six]], [[Mini-Series]], 1 John 4:16


The "I am" statement in [[The Hand of God]] is noteworthy, because of the self-description God gives to Moses in Exodus, [[Wikipedia:I am that I am|"I am that I am"]], and also Jesus has a series of "I am" statements in the Bible. The Bible contains over 300 "I am" statements.  The Hebrew name for God, [[Wikipedia:Yahweh|Yahweh]], is derived from the Hebrew word for "I am" or "to be".
The "I am" statement in [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]] is noteworthy, because of the self-description God gives to Moses in Exodus, [[Wikipedia:I am that I am|"I am that I am"]], and also Jesus has a series of "I am" statements in the Bible. The Bible contains over 300 "I am" statements.  The Hebrew name for God, [[Wikipedia:Yahweh|Yahweh]], is derived from the Hebrew word for "I am" or "to be".


As one of [[Numerology#"33"|mysteries of 33]], [[33]] is not only the title of an episode but also the commonly reported age for Jesus Christ when he was crucified, so this is another possible reference to Christ.
As one of [[Numerology#"33"|mysteries of 33]], [[33]] is not only the title of an episode but also the commonly reported age for Jesus Christ when he was crucified, so this is another possible reference to Christ.

Revision as of 00:04, 12 February 2006

In the Reimagined Series

"I am an instrument of God" --Baltar in The Hand of God
Credit: SkyOne

In the reimagined series of Battlestar Galactica, Leoben and Mini-Series/internal Six espouse monotheistic views. Leoben's "we are all God" philosophy is similar to Gnosticism. Although the Colonials worship the Lords of Kobol, even Colonials occasionally say singular "God," though it's often just as exclamations.

To avoid bias, quotes will do most of the talking here.

Monotheistic References

  • "We decided to play god - create life. When that life turned against us we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play god then wash your hands of the things that you've created." -- William Adama, Mini-Series
  • "Maybe the Cylons are God's retribution for our many sins. What if God decided he made a mistake and he decided to give souls to another creature, like the Cylons?" -- Leoben Conoy, Mini-Series
  • "God didn't create the Cylons. Man did. And I'm pretty sure we didn't include a soul in the programming." -- William Adama, Mini-Series
  • "And what I want most of all is for you to love me... Don't you understand? God is love." - internal Six, Mini-Series
  • "God has a plan for you, Gaius. He has a plan for everything and everyone. Gaius - are you even listening to me?" -- internal Six, 33
  • "Procreation is one of God's commandments." -- internal Six, 33
  • "God is watching out for you, Gaius." -- internal Six, 33
  • "A connection, maybe, but not God. There is no God, or gods, singular or plural. There are no large, invisible men (or women, for that matter) in the sky, taking a personal interest in the fortunes of Gaius Baltar." -- Gaius Baltar, 33
  • "Be careful. That which God gives He can also take away." -- internal Six, 33
  • "It's God's punishment for your lack of faith." -- internal Six, 33
  • "It's God's choice. He wants you to repent." -- internal Six, 33
  • "To know the face of God is to know madness. I see the universe. I see the patterns. I see the foreshadowing that precedes every moment of every day. It's all there, I see it and you don't." -- Leoben, Flesh and Bone
  • "I'm sorry, you're God? Wow... nice to meet ya. That's good, that's good. We'll give you a couple of minutes for that." -- Kara Thrace, Flesh and Bone
  • "It's funny, isn't it? We're all God, Starbuck, all of us. I see the love that binds all living things together. ... I know that God loved you more than all other living creatures and you repaid his divine love with sin, with hate, corruption, evil. So then he decided to create the Cylons." -- Leoben Conoy, Flesh and Bone
  • "It's your chance to find out if you're really God or just a bunch of circuits with a bad haircut. ... Somebody's programmed you with a fairy tale of God and streams and life ever after but, somewhere in that hard drive that you call a brain is a beeping message: 'Error, error, does not compute. I don't have a soul, I have software. If I die, I'm gone.'" -- Kara Thrace, Flesh and Bone
  • "And this time, your role...you have to deliver my soul unto God. Do it for me. It's your destiny, and mine." -- Leoben Conoy, Flesh and Bone
  • "God doesn't take sides. He only wants your love. Open your heart to him and he'll show you the way." -- internal Six, The Hand of God
  • "He didn't speak to me. God didn't speak to me. So I was totally lying. I just picked that spot at random." -- Gaius Baltar, The Hand of God
  • "Yes, suppose I did. Yes, there's-- there's really no other logical explanation for it. I was - [Six: Am.] - I am an instrument of God." -- Gaius Baltar, The Hand of God


Judeo-Christian References

Baltar in Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II
Credit: SkyOne

The reimagined series of Battlestar Galactica contains few references to Judeo-Christian concepts such as Jesus and Satan.

The "I am" statement in The Hand of God is noteworthy, because of the self-description God gives to Moses in Exodus, "I am that I am", and also Jesus has a series of "I am" statements in the Bible. The Bible contains over 300 "I am" statements. The Hebrew name for God, Yahweh, is derived from the Hebrew word for "I am" or "to be".

As one of mysteries of 33, 33 is not only the title of an episode but also the commonly reported age for Jesus Christ when he was crucified, so this is another possible reference to Christ.

Finally, "Christ" itself is from the Greek "Χριστός," or "Christos," which means "messiah" in Greek. In the reimagined series, the Pythian Prophecies tell of a messiah figure who will lead them to Earth.

Also, it should be noted that Ron D. Moore was questioned in his blog about Tigh's "Jesus!" exclamation, and said that it was just an ad lib by the actor that did not appear in the script.

In the Original Series

In the Original Series, Lucifer was a name of an IL-series Cylon. Lucifer is also a name for Satan.

Count Iblis is a Satan-like figure, and Iblis is the Satan of Islam.

Mormonism was reportedly an inspiration for some of the Original Series.

Official statements

Q: "There's speculation that Count Iblis' counterpart in this series is the as-yet-unseen Cylon God. Is there any possibility that elements of the original series "War of the Gods" storyline may weave themselves into the new series?
RDM: While I have thought of incorporating the Count Iblis/Ship of Lights mythology from the original show into the series, I've pretty much decided not to go there for now. The theological construct we've been establishing seems more interesting to me at this point and I don't think Iblis will be part of the current show."
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(They) turned around and asked her "Do you want to play God?" There is a character who sets herself up as God, and Lucy would likely play her. Her theory is that there's nowhere to go after playing Xena but to playing God! But none of this is a done deal, she cautions, because they're still working out the logistics


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