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You Will Know the Truth

I found a blog post that links to this page on scifi.com. They've also got a forum thread on it. -- Gordon Ecker 00:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Zak Adama?

It's possible that Zak Adama is the final Cylon. The main reason I say this is because of Leoben's line in Flesh and Bone: "Adama is a Cylon." I don't think that it's William Adama, Apollo, or by extension Dualla. Is this viable enough for inclusion in the article? --JemHadar359 05:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

In this article on SyFy Portal[1], Michael Hinman claims that they have received confirmation of the identity of the final Cylon from multiple sources, and claims that the final Cylon is one of five characters listed in the article. Zak Adama is not on the list. -- Gordon Ecker 07:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

As I said before—and forgive me for soundin' like a broken record—but this article will be dead in its present (and the ColdBoot form) before the season ends anyway. ;-) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 20:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a feeling. . .

that the final cylon will be someone that there's been no speculation about. Someone right out of left field. Personally, I'd like to think it's. . . Romo Lampkin. Centurion 51773 16:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

What about Number Seven?

Do we have any information about the existence or nonexistence of Number Seven? In many interviews and articles, it has been stated that the Final Five don't have model numbers, so it couldn't be any of them. Has the issue of Number Seven been addressed in any interviews? -- Gordon Ecker 03:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Not yet you don't. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Since the Final Five are actually older, Seven must have been a failed model. -- Noneofyourbusiness 15:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Archiving rather than deleting

I can't say I'll miss all the fanwanking we did on this page and its sisters, but I think it'll be a hoot to leave these pages as of Ellen Tigh's reveal, locked with a note about the relative history of how contributors jerked themselves around trying to formulate a logic for the last Cylons. The main articles would be protected as well as the talk pages for people to smile and laugh at (especially the producers and writers who probably made sure we were wrong! ;) Thoughts? --Spencerian 03:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure, archive it. Though I will point out that if you read the Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot replacement that I started for it 6 months ago, it would in fact have led the reader to probably pick Ellen. Not sure why my efforts to get it live never amounted to anyting, but "nyah, nyah, I told you so..." :-) So archive that too. --bradtem 09:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd say you'd get dibs on that prediction, Brad. :) --Spencerian 03:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

- - Ellen was on a LOT of shortlists. Her mysterious survival, and then Saul being a Cylon... ZeldaTheSwordsman 20:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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-== Major re-write ==
+== You Will Know the Truth ==
-I'm in the process of completely re-writing this article to bring it up to date with season 3. In particular, I'm removing any assessment or grouping into "moderate" or "low" probability but, for each leading character listing reasons for suspicion and reasons for doubt and letting the reader decide. Any ideas on what this article needs, now would be a good time to suggest. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:17, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
+I found a [http://jamesjacob77.blogspot.com/2008/11/who-is-final-cylon_29.html blog post] that links to [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/ this page on scifi.com]. They've also got a [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2319583&st=0 forum thread] on it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
-:Erm, are you working on an old version? This was already done a while ago. All the fanwankery and excessive speculation was finally removed. Some with the probabilities, which were really silly. Anyways, now the article only lists Starbuck and Baltar, who are the most likely suspects. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:34, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
-::I'm working on assesing the whole "human" central cast, although its immediately clear who are the biggest suspects. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:48, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
-:::The page was specifically cleansed to get rid of all the excessive speculation about everyone. This has been discussed on the talk page. Also see [[Characters eliminated from suspicion‎]] for why Helo and Cally Tyrol can't be Cylons and why the Adamas and Roslin probably aren't (has real-world reasons though). Baltar already has his [[Baltar as Cylon speculation|own article]]. Starbuck is mentioned here. So that's everyone covered. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
-:OK, done it. Hope you like. I've limited the scope to the central characters (because "Oh, [[Hot Dog]]'s the Cylon" would be pretty much an anticlimax). I think this is clearer and more organised than before, and allows us to demonstrate why certain characters are unlikely to be Cylons, rather than not talking about them. I have NOT included
-{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=adamaroslin|timestamp=15:57|totalrunning=78:27}}
+== [[Zak Adama]]? ==
-because I think it is clear from the context that RDM was discussing Bill and Laura being revealed as part of the ''four'' in [[Crossroads, Part II]]. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 16:37, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
+It's possible that Zak Adama is the final Cylon. The main reason I say this is because of [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]]'s line in [[Flesh and Bone]]: "Adama is a Cylon." I don't think that it's William Adama, Apollo, or by extension Dualla. Is this viable enough for inclusion in the article? --[[User:JemHadar359|JemHadar359]] 05:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
+:In this article on SyFy Portal[http://www.syfyportal.com/news425609.html], Michael Hinman claims that they have received confirmation of the identity of the final Cylon from multiple sources, and claims that the final Cylon is one of five characters listed in the article. Zak Adama is not on the list. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
+: As I said before—and forgive me for soundin' like a broken record—but this article will be dead in its present (and the ColdBoot form) before the season ends anyway. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
-::Don't take this personally, but I don't. The old article was way better IMHO. Granted, it outsourced the eliminated characters to another page, which could be done away with maybe. But while your article is factually correct (*) with the pro and cons for everyone, I found the old one read more interestingly, because it was complete text and not just a list of a bullet points. That gave you the pointers to draw your own conclusions and links to pursue further indications.
+== Just a feeling. . . ==
-::What yours has going for it is that it doesn't just rely on out-of-universe sources for the Adamas and Roslin, but the sacrifices for that are too high. I'd rather have the "eliminated characters" article edited to include those points, but restore this one. But I'm just one person, so don't be discouraged. Some other people can weigh in too. But with an article has hotly contested as this one - see talk pages - you should have solicited some feedback ''before'' editing. Also because it could have saved you work.
-:::(*) Except for some things like Adama in "[[A Day in the Life]]". That is '''not''' projection, but a stylistic choice to show his inner monologue  --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:53, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
-::I more or less agree with Serenity. While you bring up some nice points in your revamped version of the page, it is just a bunch of bullet points. Text, like in the old version, is a much more comfortable read. ---[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 01:13, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
-== Projection is a form of daydreaming ==
+that the final cylon will be someone that there's been no speculation about. Someone right out of left field. Personally, I'd like to think it's. . . Romo Lampkin. [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 16:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
-To be honest, the differences between "projecting" and "daydreaming" are sufficiently blurred here, since it's really the same thing. Also, it's really had to tell the difference between both, particularly in the Adama's case, so I'm not entirely sure of how we should approach that here. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 17:01, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
+== What about Number Seven? ==
-:Yeah. Bill Adama's "projection" was weak, so I've removed it. The problem is, I can't think of any other plausible reason for suspicion. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 17:07, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
-:We already have it as non-projection on [[Virtual beings#Notes]]. I know that some people are crazy about anything that looks like Cylons, but I never saw it as anything but Adama's inner musings and imagination. Sure, it goes beyond what one might expect, but he doesn't really have any dialogues with his wife. She talks a lot and for me that works perfectly fine as a representation of Adama's thoughts and him re-hashing things his wife told him over the years. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:10, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
+Do we have any information about the existence or nonexistence of Number Seven? In many interviews and articles, it has been stated that the Final Five don't have model numbers, so it couldn't be any of them. Has the issue of Number Seven been addressed in any interviews? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
+: Not yet you don't. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
+:: Since the Final Five are actually older, Seven must have been a failed model. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
+== Archiving rather than deleting ==
+I can't say I'll miss all the fanwanking we did on this page and its sisters, but I think it'll be a hoot to leave these pages as of Ellen Tigh's reveal, locked with a note about the relative history of how contributors jerked themselves around trying to formulate a logic for the last Cylons. The main articles would be protected as well as the talk pages for people to smile and laugh at (especially the producers and writers who probably made ''sure'' we were wrong! ;) Thoughts? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
+:Sure, archive it.   Though I will point out that if you read the [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot]] replacement that I started for it 6 months ago, it would in fact have led the reader to probably pick Ellen.  Not sure why my efforts to get it live never amounted to anyting, but "nyah, nyah, I told you so..." :-)   So archive that too.  --[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 09:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
+::I'd say you'd get dibs on that prediction, Brad. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
+***Ellen was on a LOT of shortlists. Her mysterious survival, and then Saul being a Cylon... [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)