Talk:Sharon Valerii/Archive1

Boomer Resurrects in the Resurrection Ship

Hey, Grace Park answered some questions in "TheScifiWorld.Net", and in one of them she said that Boomer resurrected "in a ship", aka the resurrecion ship. So I guess this basically confirms our suspicions that the room we see in "Downloaded" is in fact within the Resurrection Ship. Here is where she answered the Question [1]--Sauron18 20:10, 20 September 2006 (CDT)

Article name (again)

I think this article should either be moved to "Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii" or "Sharon Valerii ('Boomer')". Anyone who still has problems to tell them apart, will probably be even more confused by "(Galactica copy)", especially because the article for Caprica-Sharon has already be moved to "Sharon Agathon". Aside from that, it seems apparent that the writers are often using Grace Park's nomenclature on the show now − Galactica-Sharon was called "Boomer" by a Three model in the season premiere, while Caprica-Sharon is called "Sharon" exclusively − therefore I think it would be a good idea to use "Boomer" in the name of this article. It would be far less confusing than "(Galactica copy)", IMHO. -- Enemy 18:07, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

I agree. --BklynBruzer 18:13, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

I want to wait until we learn Sharon Agathon's callsign. If she uses "Boomer" too, then the move won't work. --Peter Farago 19:17, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

Her callsign was actually revealed in the last issue of the BSG Magazine :) --Sauron18 19:38, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

And it is...? --BklynBruzer 19:39, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

She is mentioned, in the magazine, as "Sharon 'Athena' Agathon" --Sauron18 19:41, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

Awesome. --BklynBruzer 20:29, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

I still want to wait for an on-screen reference, or at least official confirmation from RDM or Brad Thompson. The Magazine has been wrong on prior occasions. --Peter Farago 01:34, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Yeah, I'm not saying we put it yet, it is after all, a spoiler of sorts for now. I'd trust it though, this issue had very good interviews (and this was in an interview). Though I don't know in which episode we'll find out. --Sauron18 06:29, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

The article should probably be renamed Sharon Valerii as we don't include callsigns in the article's name. Obviously, we may have to go through the articles and fix links, but that shouldn't be a big to-do. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 07:07, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

I concur. Others of her sort should be Number Fives, but now there is really only "one" Sharon Valerii as there is now only "one" D'Anna Biers. --Spencerian 07:14, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Eights, actually. ;-) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 07:23, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Eights, fives, whatever. They'll kill us all (but they're gonna frak us first, see?...frak us real slow...) :) --Spencerian 07:46, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

I disagree, for reasons stated above. They were both "Sharon Valerii" for the first 33 episodes. Someone watching the first two seasons and searching for "Sharon Valerii" needs to be sent to a disambig page, not the page for a particular copy. --Peter Farago 11:18, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Then "Sharon Valerii" should be a disambig or redirect to Number Eight. The current Boomer page should be renamed similarly to "[[Number Eight (Boomer)]]", but anything other than the human alias. Else, we concise the Number Five article and merge the also-concised Galactica-copy article into Number Five. A differentiation must be done; the Sharons have both served and are alike from a wiki perspective same their name. --Spencerian 12:10, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

The best name would be Sharon Valerii ("Boomer"). -- Noneofyourbusiness 13:23, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

How exactly was Sharon Agathon "Sharon Valerii" for the first 33 episodes? She merely took Boomer's identity in season one, but the surname Valerii was never associated with her. In fact, I don't believe (Caprica-)Sharon was every addressed as Sharon Valerii in the entire series, was she? -- Enemy 14:42, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Helo called her Sharon up until her true nature was revealed. Though, he never used her surname. --BklynBruzer 14:46, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

She called herself Sharon Valerii in "Home, Part II". "It's like: I'm Sharon Valerii and this is my family." Sesha Abinell called her Sharon Valerii in "Sacrifice". "We want Sharon Valerii" There may or may not be other instances that I'm forgetting. -- Noneofyourbusiness 17:35, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Thanks for mentioning these scenes, I didn't remember them. How Sesha Abinell called her can't really be relevant though, she never met her. And I just rewatched that scene in Home, Part II, in which she is trying to make a point about how weird it is having all these memories of Sharon Valerii. She is not using "Valerii" to describe herself, but the memories, she is talking about. So I still think the surname Valerii was never really associated with Sharon Agathon and therefore it would be unproblematic to name this article Sharon Valerii, with or without Boomer in it. -- Enemy 19:36, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Honestly, let's not muddle the issue. Sharon Valerii should redirect to the article on Boomer, with a disambig note on the top linking to Sharon Agathon. Simple enough? -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate} 15:43, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

That'll work for me. Would it also have a disamb note to the Number 8 article? --Talos 16:06, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

It already has a disambig note covering both. -- Noneofyourbusiness 21:54, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Should I make the change or does someone else want to? -- Noneofyourbusiness 06:19, 29 October 2006 (CST)

I'm very much for the change for course, but have we decided on a article name yet? ;) -- Enemy 09:11, 29 October 2006 (CST)

I think we're going with Joe Beaudoin's suggestion, which is Sharon Valerii. To sum up: the Galactica part is not longer accurate, the other Sharon never really used the name Valerii, and the article has a nice disambig heading at the top. -- Noneofyourbusiness 13:06, 29 October 2006 (CST)

Ok, I certainly support that, since callsigns are not included in the article's names, apparently. "Sharon Valerii" currently redirects to "Number Eight" which is not accurate anyway. -- Enemy

I disagree here. "Sharon Valerii" is the alias for all Eights. The fact that Sharon Agathon is known as "Sharon" alone supports this, otherwise she'd have a different alias. Plenty of podcasts and other sources (outside of here, which is precluded as a reference) also states this. The other Sharon did use the full alias as well during the Caprica adventure, as she made Helo believe she was the "genuine" article from Galactica. We do want to use the alias primarily for the "Boomer" Valerii, but to say that Caprica-Valerii hadn't assumed the identity for a time is plain wrong. Names may be relative in the episodes, but here we need to ensure we don't confuse matters. We cannot use first names in the article, so Caprica-Valerii must still remain in descriptions in the Agathon article throughout season 2 descriptions. --Spencerian 13:15, 30 October 2006 (CST)

"'Sharon Valerii' is the alias for all Eights." I think that is not correct, there is no evidence to suggest that. In fact, the conversation in Home, Part II, when Caprica-Sharon says "It's like I'm Sharon Valerii" suggests the opposite. Calling Caprica-Sharon Valerii is like addressing a secret agent by his undercover alias, even though the mission has ended a long time ago. -- Enemy 06:25, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Boomer real-life reference

This real life reference seems to be out of place, given that Boomer herself is not a ballistic missile submarine...

In reality, "Boomer" is a nickname for a ballistic missile submarine. "Helo" is a similar nickname for a helicopter.

I didn't want to remove it since it contrasted with "Helo", but I'm unsure about this personally... -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus} 17:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)