Talk:Uniforms (RDM)/Archive2

Jacket

I removed the line "Apollo's flight suit identifies that he is actually qualified to pilot both." A jacket, in military aviation, is a dossier that contains all the pilots qualifications, commendations, etc. Stinger was not referring to Apollo's flight suit but his record, which he would have recieved when Apollo was transferred under his command. --Talos 22:51, 22 January 2006 (EST)

Ahhh. Ha-ha! That makes much sense, then. I guess I can take off "scrutinize Lee's uniform for mention of a Raptor" of my list of things to do. Interesting. --Day 08:43, 23 January 2006 (EST)

Counterpoints

Okay....I do not want this to get "ugly", however there are a *LOT* of problems with Jetstorm316's recent posting here in Talk; For starters, at first glance it doesn't look like he even bothered to read the write up already in the article, but instead posted up his own observations. I'm not trying to insult, cast blame, whatever. I wash my hands of this. But I need to make the following counterpoints:

"A) Parade Dress - Normal Bridge uniform with a "leather like" sash with medals earned. "

No. As you can see in the write up I did weeks ago for "Uniform" on the front page, a dress uniform is not "a bridge uniform" with some alterations: It is gray, lacks a pocket or shoulder patches, as well as the sash. Senior officers' uniforms also feature a dark gray bar around the neck, and epaulettes. No, it is not called "Parade Dress" (well, with capitals like an official name like that), they call them "Dress Grays", i.e. dress uniform. A point I forgot to make was that the Dress Uniform is actuall an overcoat of sorts; the Duty Uniform (below) just tucks into the belt.

"B) Bridge Officer - as above but without sash, with or without pilot wings, pending Viper Pilot Training. "

A key point you didn't notice is that this is not a "Bridge Officer" uniform; it is a uniform for all Colonial Fleet officers: Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer have been seen wearing them, as noted in that list there which denotes the differences in this uniform for different ranks. LSO Kelly also wears one. And as said above, it's really not like the dress uniform. As for the differences in those little Wing badges they have, I would greatly appreciate if someone could find the little differences between them; however it is definately not "pending Viper Pilot Training", as I do believe that even Raptor pilots or Gaeta have them.

"C) Khaki - a universal standard, mainly adopted by colonial non-coms, a black armband if Military Police with MP shown. "

No, this is also blatantly wrong. This is not a uniform for "Colonial Non-Coms". Chief Tyrol is the highest-ranking Colonial Fleet Non-Com on the ship, yet as you can see clearly in this Galacticastation pic: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap028.htm he does not wear a khaki uniform. He wears the green duty uniform, which other Colonial Fleet personel, such as Cally: http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/s1/103/bscap014.htm who is an enlisted crewman, also wears. So you see, this is not a "universal standard, mainly non-com uniform". No, a black armband is not worn by just "the military police"; all people wearing this that we have seen had the black armband. Either way, we've pretty much confirmed that it is the Colonial Marine Corps Non-Com uniform, but is not used by the Colonial Fleet. (Still, we have not seen it featured much, and the black armband stuff needs more research/attention in future episodes.

"D) Deck Crew - an orange jumpsuit with a black "hold-all" waist coat. "

Correct; this is in the article, yeah no problem there; there are actually orange and yellow ones (notably Jammer), as has been stated above; on real world ships, color denotes task, but as I stated in the article, "orange" isn't a color used by the US Navy's color-coding system.

"E) Desert Combats - whats the deal with this? any ideas? "

....did you just count the Khaki uniform twice in your list? No, we have never seen a "desert combat" uniform in any episode.

I am sorry, and I have tried to keep this as close to the facts as possible, however this really needed correction. --The Merovingian 04:51, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Well, we do agree on something after all, Point D).

As I have stated on Point E), I conceeded it wasn't "Desert" combats, but "Urban" style. Talos quite rightly pointed that mistake out, and I have made sufficiant note of this fact, to correct at a later date in my own files. Once again, point conceeded, no problems here.

Point C) is a tricky one, but I have not seen an episode other than "Litmus"where it was used. Yes, I AGREE more research is needed on this point, maybe pool resourses to define is proper use (I'm offering an "Olive Branch" here, not many get handed out from me), but once again, no problems.

A and B are too close together to seperate, but both uniforms do have similarities with each other.

I must admit, you do have some good points, but some do need redefining.--Jetstorm316

I uploaded some pics as examples.

A)

A) Dress Greys (Miniseries)

B and D)

B and D)Blue duty uniform and jumpsuit (Miniseries)

C) There are some people wearing the khaki without the armband and I'll get a better pic of both the OD and khaki when I get home from classes in about 4 hours. Here's a bad pic of the OD one with a security armband.

C) OD Uniform with security armband (Miniseries)

E)

E) Urban camoflage uniform (Flight of the Phoenix)

--Talos 07:01, 22 February 2006 (EST)

Good examples, Talos. Well deserving of recognition. Why Don't you add them into the document as additional supplement.--jetstorm316

I was planning too. I just wanted to show them here first. --Talos 12:54, 22 February 2006 (EST)

New Uniform Pics

Sweet. Thanks, Talos! --Steelviper 12:43, 22 February 2006 (EST)

My pleasure. --Talos 12:55, 22 February 2006 (EST)

i've been cutting off the concrete suits. maybe they can be introduced to the article that way:

• Commander - red line on outer edge, gold line on inner edge - Example

here are the pics:

well, i think nobody cares. If someone does, just recover. --dancing_salad 18:54, 23 February 2006 (EST)

Thanks for adding the pics to the uniform page. Good job on linking through text and not thumbnails, I keeps the page cleaner and less cluttered. Keep up the good work! --Talos 21:59, 23 February 2006 (EST)

Uniform devices

As noted on Talk:Military Ranks (RDM), there is some information about various uniform devices used in BSG. Mainly on dress uniforms or Admiral Corman's bling (whose picture could be included here too, as it's high-res). There is a huge chart of them here, but I'm not sure how to include that. Cutting it up like the rank pins is impracticable as the images would still be pretty large. And linking to it in text doesn't really make it very visible. Any ideas?

As for rights. Jim was happy when I asked him if we could use his rank pins, so I'm sure this is ok too, and if we used the whole image his name is there anyways. --Serenity 10:39, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

We may want to do a separate page on the bling, kind of like Insignia (TOS). (This would be a good place for the patches as well.) -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 11:00, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

That would work. Btw, there is a stylized version of this TOS insignia on that website. Might be better than the blurry screenshot. --Serenity 11:06, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, we can swap that out. -- Joe Beaudoin ^{So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New} 11:09, 15 June 2007 (CDT)